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Choosing a Tax Package

Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:58:35 -0500
From: Leah_Dorfman@Millipore.com

Excuse me, I'm taking an informal poll on tax software...

Our current sales and use tax calculation package is not Y2K compliant and the vendor does not have a smooth upgrade path to a version that is both compliant and will work with R11. (We are currently on 10.7 char, moving rapidly to 10.7 GUI on our way to R11 by mid 00.) I am enlisting your experience and advice in light of the magnitude of this decision.

Which Tax package do you use?
Are you happy with the package .... works correctly, routine rate updates are easily handled, etc.
Are you running the PL/SQL version?
Do you do Sales Tax & VAT in the same instance?
How do you handle Canada's needs?
What reporting package do you use?
What shortcomings are you aware of?
Thank you in advance for replying to my questions. And please don't reply to the list, if anyone on the list is interested in these responses I am willing to share them, but let's not clutter everyone's e-box. If you prefer to talk, then please call me at (781) 533-2161. Regards, Leah Dorfman


Noetix and Business Objects

Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:23:10 -0500
From: ddicondina@SUNGARDRS.COM
Subject: RE: Noetix and Business Objects

Has anyone used Noetix Views and BRIO? We are currently evaluating end-user reporting tools and I would appreciate any feedback on any reporting tools being used with Noetix Views.

Thanks, Dominic DiCondina SunGard Recovery Sercvices Inc


We are currently using the Noetix Views with Discover/2000. So far the users have praised it. It is a good product and the customer service seems great, for what little we have used it for. We are running 10.7NCA HR, PO, AP, and GL views. I would highly recommend it.

Thanks, Bryan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bryan Michael Lenihan
Certified Oracle Database Administrator
Family Dollar Stores, Inc.
(e-mail) blenihan@familydollar.com
(Phone)704-847-6961 x 4091
(Pager)704-565-7928 or p.7045657928@metrocall.com


Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:29:38 -0500 From: "Cotten, Jim" Jim.Cotten@respironics.com To: oraapps-l@cpa.qc.ca Subject: RE: Noetix and Business Objects

We use Crystal Reports and the Crystal Info server very successfully with Noetix.


Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:47:19 -0500
From: "Karnik, Bhushan" Bhushan.Karnik@Olsten.com
Subject: RE: Noetix and Business Objects

Yes, we have used the Noetix Views for the AR reports. If the reports are not complex it works great. But if the reports are complicated dealing with larg chunk of data then query runs awfully slow. I developed few repoerts using Noetix Views with Report Writer 2.5. Also you can develop the reports using Cogno's tool. I hope this may help you. -Bhushan



ORAXCEL

From: Erik Ritters [mailto:eritters@prg.com]
Sent: Monday, 5 April 1999 21:17
Subject: ORAXCEL

Greetings Oracle Apps Users!

Has anyone out there ever used ORAXCEL? It is an add-on to microsoft excel that allows you to connect to an Oracle instance (from excel). It uses Oracle Objects for OLE instead of ODBC to connect to Oracle. It allows you to enter sql statements within excel and return the resultant set to a worksheet. It also allows you to export multiple rows within a worksheet directly to an Oracle table. Please, if anyone has ever used this product you can contact me on the side. I've installed it but have had problems connecting to our db instance and would appreciate any insight.

Thanks


Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 07:14:51 +0800
From: "Solomon, Stephen" Stephen.Solomon@rac.com.au
Subject: RE: ORAXCEL

Erik,
Yes I have used this excel add-on and found it quite useful. Although the shareware version limits you to 250 characters in your sql statement, and you can't do updates using it. As far as I am aware it would still use your TNSANAMES file to work out the Database instance name. Is the database name valid? If you want to talk more contact men directly.

Cheers Stephen


Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:45:50 -0400
From: Erik Ritters eritters@prg.com

ORAXCEL ----- Check out http://members.aol.com/gjlinker/ for details.


Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 8:18:58 -0400
From: "Rosemarie H. Truman" Rosemarie.Truman@ey.com
Subject: RE: ORAXCEL

If you haven't tried TOAD--tool for application developers--downloadable from www.toadsoft.com, I think that is fabulous! Probably a little better than the excel plugin.

Rosemarie Truman



Oracle Tutor

From: ddicondina@SUNGARDRS.COM
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 6:10 AM
Subject: Oracle Tutor

Can anyone who is currently using Oracle Tutor give me feedback on the following:

1) Ease of use (time to implement/maintain application)
2) What capacity it is being used (Business Process Documentation/Training)?
3) Oracle's knowledge (expertise of support)
4) Are you satisfied/dissatisfied with the product?
5) Recommendations

Thanks, Dominic R DiCondina SunGard Recovery Services Inc 610-341-8016


Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 07:38:54 -0500
From: "Koike, Janis - Bannockburn" jkoike@imcglobal.com
Subject: RE: Oracle Tutor

We used Oracle Tutor. The product consists of various modules (Navigation explanation (NAVs), Procedure documents (PROCs), Education materials (EDUCs), and Exercises (LABs). There may be others. These are maintained as separate documents which can be combined via the TUTOR software into a desk manual, training manual, etc. You pick the items to be included. The result is similar to Oracle's training materials. The advantange is that you can tailor any document to your specific needs. The LABs, for example, can be modified to reflect your business. You can also use the product to build documents from scratch. (We did, for EMPAC). Our team did General Ledger. We modified the EDUCS and LABS to reflect our company's flexfield structure and eliminated a lot of the repetitious material (there is a lot!).

We have successfully used the materials for training manuals. We haven't yet produced the desk manuals.

For General Ledger, TUTOR was a lot of work! And I would guess that GL is one of the more straight forward applications. Of course, you can make the documents as simple or detailed as you like.

I am not a fan of the PROCS as Oracle supplies them, at least not for G/L. I remember reading a 15 to 20 page document that basically said, "If you can't figure it out, tell your supervisor!"


Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:39:11 -0400
From: "Lipe, Kevin" kslipe@lifestylefurnishings.com
Subject: RE: Oracle Tutor

We are using Tutor for all aspects of our implementation. Student Guides for training, Desk Reference Manuals for job processes, etc. It has been a great product for us to use and I have been very, very happy with Oracle Education Performance Consulting. They worked with us every step of the way until we felt comfortable by ourselves. I highly recommend it to anyone implementing any level of Oracle. If you need any more detail please call me. Kevin

________________________________________________________
Kevin S. Lipe Manager of Training, Documentation and Communication LifeStyle Furnishings International 336.249.5641-Office 336.249.5615-FAX kslipe@lsfi.com mailto:kslipe@lsfi.com ________________________________________________________


Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:10:12 -0400
From: Oracle_Users_MEDSTAT OracleUsersMEDSTAT@medstat.com
Subject: RE: Oracle Tutor

Dominic:
We've used Oracle Tutor extensively to document core business processes and provide end-users with manuals to minimize the amount of face-to-face training required. Once you get the hang of Oracle Tutor, it's a great tool. We found that some of our staff just couldn't "think" the way Oracle Tutor requires you to think when writing procedures. In other words, some staff catch on quickly; others never quite make the transition.

I wrote approximately 9 PROCS (procedures) for Oracle Projects and about 20 NAVS (navigations). I would estimate it took me 160 hours total. We got solid help from Oracle on the tool itself and how to write procedures. The real challenge is understanding the application and how it will be used in the context of your own business.

Bottom line-we got good value out of the tool, because it forced our implementation team to really learn the applications they were implementing. It also forced us to identify key players in the organization that were going to be responsible for using the applications. On the downside, we've not found too many end-users that are willing to wade through the navigations. What they seem to prefer are simple checklists. Just as it's hard to get functional experts to use the Tutor model when writing procedures and navigations, it's also difficult to get end-users accustomed to Tutor's highly structured format. Finally, procs and navs require constant feeding and care. Be sure you have a commitment up front from your organization to maintain the documentation once it's been created.



Smart DB

From: joanetta counce [SMTP:jcounce@oaklandnet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 5:09 PM
Subject: SmartDB

I am looking for information about SmartDB. Anyone using their data conversion product and/or consulting service please e-mail me with comments as to the effectiveness and efficiencies realized.

We are on 10SC Financials and HR/Payroll with PA, Inv, and Cost modules with 7.3.4 database on DEC Alpha server coming from an AS400 environment.

Thanks! Joanetta Counce City of Oakland


Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:36:56 -0400
From: "Jhaveri, Prashant" Prashant.Jhaveri@Olsten.com
Subject: RE: SmartDB

Hi there,
I've used SmartDB in our Fin implementation for our GL conversion data and AP Interfaces. It is quite effective and fast. It gives you flexibility of using logical if then else statements within it which I guess SQL*Loader does not give you. We've been using SmartDB since last 10 months or so and never got any problems in it. You need the data files as your source and then you create templates based on that file. Once your template is ready, you can map your template columns with database table columns. I think, there is one aspect of SmartDB which I didn't like. It hard codes the oracle user password in the scripts that it creates so your passwords are visible to the users.

Let me know if you need to know anything else.

Regards, - Prashant


Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:37:30 -0400
From: "Sikorski, Paul" psikorski@cm-corp.com
Subject: RE: SmartDB

We're using it to convert BOMS and routings. It is working very well for us. Please contact me if you have specific questions.

Paul


Date: 07 Apr 99 07:25:12 -0700
From: "Deepa Sood" DSOOD@us.oracle.com
Subject: Re: SmartDB

Hi, I have been using SmartDB for over a year now. I used it for Inventory,GL and PO conversions. It is a good tool if you don't have too many validation rules . If you do then it slows down the load process. Let me know if you have any specific questions. You can also check out EDMS which is also a data migration tool.

Deepa ***********************************
DEEPA SOOD
SENIOR CONSULTANT
ORACLE CONSULTING - CORE TECHNOLOGY
VOICEMAIL 1-800-862-4563 X1888
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TO_APPS.XLS/TO_NCA.XLS

From: Erik Ritters [mailto:eritters@prg.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 9:50 AM
Subject: TO_APPS.XLS/TO_NCA.XLS

Greetings,
Has anyone out there ever used either TO_APPS.XLS or TO_NCA.XLS for Excel to Oracle connectivity. I saw a great demo on it at OAUG last week in San Diego. You can download it at

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~jdstuart/nca_load.htm

My problems occur when specifying the oracle form name that is to be loaded from the excel spreadsheet. It just clears the form name from the dialogue and that's it! It is written to support both SC and NCA. I'm running it in a 10.7SC environment. Any help would be GREAT!

Thanks


From: Michael Blunck[SMTP:michael.blunck@aris.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 8:54 AM
Subject: RE: TO_APPS.XLS/TO_NCA.XLS

I use it quite a bit. You need to enter the name of the form as seen in the title bar of the window. Also the form must be open not minimized. Let me know if you need any other help.

Michael Blunck


From: McElhinny, Steve A. [mailto:Steve.McElhinny@alcoa.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 1:17 PM
Subject: RE: TO_APPS.XLS/TO_NCA.XLS

Can you give us 10.7 char users a quick description of what you're talking about? We're headed for NCA in the near future...


Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:38:13 -0700
From: Michael Blunck michael.blunck@aris.com
Subject: RE: TO_APPS.XLS/TO_NCA.XLS

In character mode you can use simple windows copy and paste functionality to populate some standard forms within the applications. This is often done with segment values, etc. With both smart client and nca applications it is necessary to use these excel files or develop your own macros to get the same results. Since these files are already developed if you can get a hold of them, why take the time to write your own macros. Hope this makes things clearer

Michael Blunck



Financial Package from CA

From: Sharma, Rajiv [SMTP:rsharma@ameritrade.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 8:58 AM
Subject: Financial Package from CA

Hi everyone
Does anyone out there has any experience working with a financial package from CA called PRESTIGE. We are looking at it and Oracle Financials but because of a dearth of information on the first one I have not been able to research it thoroughly. If somebody has any knowledge and can provide some insight into the PRESTIGE product it will be greatly appreciated.

TIA Rajiv Sharma


Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:46:39 -0400
From: "Snyder, Andrew" Andrew.Snyder@CAI.COM
Subject: RE: Financial Package from CA

Rajiv,
More information is available at http://www.prestigesoft.com/. The following is an overview of Prestige: Prestige Software International, a Division of Computer Associates, is dedicated to delivering enterprise financial management and human resource management solutions that meet the evolving needs of worldwide businesses in a multitude of platform and operating environments. Prestige Software International's Enterprise Financial Management products take advantage of CA technology and other industry-recognized technologies to deliver business-centric, Web-enabled solutions. Masterpiece/Net is a comprehensive, integrated, Web-enabled enterprise financial management solution accommodating the multi-organizational, multinational and multi-currency needs of thousands of organizations worldwide. Masterpiece/Net includes General Ledger, Accounts Payable, Accounts Receivable, Fixed Assets, Fund Accounting, Inventory Control, Job Cost, Labor Distribution, Draft Services, Purchasing and Consolidation modules.

Masterpiece/Net Consol enables complex, multinational consolidations independently of the accounting cycle of general ledger. MasterpieceNet Consol effectively consolidates and reports on decentralized, disparate, and multicurrency financial data.

CA-HRISMA is a fully integrated, multi-company, multi-platform client/server human resource management software solution which provides comprehensive payroll, personnel and benefits administration.

Please contact me if I can be of further assistance. Andrew T. Snyder Oracle Financials Functional Consultant Computer Associates International 216.523.5810/800.523.5856 ext. 3084 216.523.5801 fax andrew.snyder@cai.com Global Professional Services Delivering Accelerated Results


DataLoad V4

Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 16:43:42 +0100
From: "Jonathan Stuart" jdstuart@globalnet.co.uk
Subject: DataLoad (or Cut&Paste) Version 4

Hi,
Users of the DataLoad (or Cut & Paste) macros might be interested to know that Version 4 of this tool is now available. DataLoad V4, along with the latest versions of to_apps.xls and to_nca.xls, can be downloaded from the following site:

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~jdstuart/nca_load.htm

DataLoad has been completely re-written for V4.0 and is now a standalone Windows application. This not only dramatically increases the possibilities for current and future functionality, but also provides improved performance, reliability and stability within a dedicated DataLoad interface. The DataLoad macro will continue to be developed and will remain numbered V3.X.

The key changes in V4 are as follows:

1. DataLoad implemented as a standalone Windows 32 bit application.
- Improved performance, reliability and stability.
- Dedicated DataLoad interface speeds up the build and testing of loads.
- No dependency on Excel.
- Vastly increased scope of potential future functionality.

2. Control of delays increased and improved using dedicated delays form, including access to low level delays.

3. DataLoad file format introduced to save setup information as well as data.

4. Documentation re-written as Windows help file.

5. Control of keystrokes made easier and the keys available to the user increased.

As far as possible DataLoad V4 is compatible with the macro version but some changes were necessary. A comprehensive Windows help file has been written so please take 5 minutes to scan that and pick up on the changes (there is a quick start section for existing users). The key points to remember when using DataLoad V4 are that data is now sent to the target window using Windows copy and paste, and that complex keystroke combinations using any keyboard characters can now be programmed within the spreadsheet. The former point improves performance and reliability but cannot be universally used because certain fields can't accept pasted characters. The second point regarding sending keystrokes allows us to populate fields which cannot accept pasted text, but also enables us to access all menus and keyboard shortcuts, for example, so that all Oracle Apps functionality can be controlled by DataLoad.

If you require support, or have suggestions for improvements or changes please email me at:

jdstuart@globalnet.co.uk Jonathan.



PostScript Printing Solutions

From: JENNIFER CARDELL [mailto:Cardell@iomega.com]
Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 12:17 PM
Subject: GEN: PostScript Printing Solutions

Anyone have stories - good or bad - about various 3rd party packages for external docment printing? I'd appreciate hearing your experiences and if you could do it again would you chose the same package? We are looking into Optio, JetForm, CommercePath...

Thanks, Jenn


Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 15:59:28 -0500
From: "Shockey, David" DShockey@jwrinc.com
Subject: RE: PostScript Printing Solutions

We use Optio for our deposit advices and it works very well. In a few weeks we will start using it for purchase orders, AP checks, and pick lists. Some time in the Fall we will begin using it for payroll checks.

As you can see we haven't put it to the test yet but it is working very well in all of our tests. When we installed it we sent two people to their training course and we had one of Optio's technical people come in for a week to get us started. I recommend that you get some help also because the class is mainly about designing forms, not about installing and configuring the software on the server.

I give their tech support an A. We've never had to wait more than a few minutes and the people we have talked to have been very competent.

If you are going to be printing checks or other documents with signatures I recommend that you get some signature fonts made. Other graphic types are slower and don't look as good.


Lily -

I have worked with Optio in the past, and while the product is okay there is really NO reason for a company to buy Optio! I have a strong opinion on this, because as a consultant I see companies waste money on 3rd party software all the time:

You can easily produce barcodes and bitmapped (logos, etc), faxed and emailed output with Developer 2000 and Oracle Apps. You already own that software and you already have developers on staff (most likely) that know Reports 2.5. One thing I specifically don't like about Optio is that they claim you will need zero customizations to make it work. That is not true. At a minimum you will need to write optio scripts that map to your Developer 2000 output. The last project I was on spent $100k on Optio (software, training and licenses)! When I told them that since I already had to customize the two reports that would be sent to Optio, with just a few extra days I could do the barcode and conitional logo printing they wanted, they just could not believe it.

I have attached a copy of the report (just to give you an idea of what you can do) I just produced for my current project using only Reports 2.5, no third party products! And as you can see it looks great. Its also has lots of conditional data fields in it which print/don't print under certain conditions. It took less than 5 days to complete.

I also have a paper on my website in the 'Oracle ToolBox' that details how to setup bitmapped reporting and emailing, and its really easy for some with Reports 2.5 and Oracle experience. Faxing and barcodes are just as easy too, it all just takes a little 'thinking out of the box'.

Amber
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Allen-Sauer Consulting, INC
email: amber@allen-sauer.com
web: http://www.allen-sauer.com


Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:27:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Taylor cwt_cfa@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Optio

Amber is correct: for most companies, Dev2K can do anything Optio can do. However, I do not agree with Amber that every shop purchasing OraApps should use D2K Reports just because it's there. We recently purchased Optio, and are using version 6 without performance issues on HPUX. We've been using OraApps since 1994. We've been following Amber's prescription, customization, and are fed up with it. Even at the $100,000 price tag Amber quotes (fairly accurate), Optio can be cost-effective.

How, you ask? Well, assume you hack Oracle's delivered PO, you poor soul. Ring up the consulting fee or the staff hours. Now assume that Oracle delivers a patch for their PO. Assume they deliver one every month, in fact, as is sometimes the case, and that it is buried in a megapatch bundle you are forced to apply to continue doing business into the next century. The patch alters the report's driving views and breaks your hacked version. No problem--customize the new PO again! Ring up another consulting fee or more staff hours. You can do it faster--as long as every single change is well-documented and the new report didn't change structure and invalidate your steps.

Modify just a handful of Oracle delivered reports and then go through a round of patches or a major upgrade. You'll ring up well over $100,000, I can tell you from experience. By the way, you'll need to update your Oracle Reports skills for the new toolset, learn all the new APIs, yada yada yada. And use Oracle Reports' design interface, to add to your affliction.

Optio's approach does not require you to even know what tool produced the output. Further, the patches that would break your customizations rarely change the output format of reports, and so your Optio document continues purring along. When patches do break your documents, you don't need to analyze code to fix them--just spend 5 minutes tweaking the mapping document. Really! Optio's claim is true: the reports are not customized. There *IS* a difference.

Yes, Dev2K Reports can do anything Optio can do. And if you use Dev2K Reports, you'll get to prove that over and over and over again with the same reports. That's great if you're billable, but lousy if you have business to attend to.

--Chris Taylor



Data migration tools

From: Bartoletti, Michael [mailto:BartolMi@rf.suny.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 3:18 PM
Subject: Data Migration tools

Has anyone used SmartDB or the like for data migration into the Oracle Applications. We are starting the analysis of how we are to migrate all our legacy data into the apps. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks Michael Bartoletti The Research Foundation of State University of New York bartolmi@rf.suny.edu


Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:37:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Sitikantha Panigrahi sitikantha@yahoo.com
Subject: RE:Data Migration tools

Michael,
I know a product called Constellar HUB which is definitely a superb tool for data migration & interface with Oracle Apps. They have a toolkit known as OAT (Oracle Applications Toolkit) which is certified by ORACLE Corp. for interfacing & data migration into Oracle Applications. It supports most of the interfaces of Oracle Applications and the toolkit comes with pre-build transactions & validations for each interface. This has an additional features than what Smart DB has, is that the toolkit submits the concurrent program, monitors the status as well as brings back the concurrent processing errors/exceptions from Apps and consolidates all in one place at the Hub.

You may get some idea about this Oracle Applications Toolkit either from Oracle Alliance web sites or www.constellar.com (I'm not sure..).

If you need any further information, contact me directly as I have good experience in using this toolkit & product.

Sitikantha


Facility Management Apps

From: Batson, Mark [mailto:BATSONM@ORAU.GOV]
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 10:47 AM
Subject: Oracle Financials: Facility Management Apps

I am looking for a 3rd party facility management product that will integrate with Oracle Financials. Can anyone recommend a product or the name of a company that might make a facility management products?

Mark


From: Shockey, David[SMTP:DShockey@jwrinc.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 9:30 AM
Subject: RE: Oracle Financials: Facility Management Apps

MP5 by Datastream is a full-blown maintenance system. Is that what you are looking for?


From: ralph ramnath [mailto:rramnath@neal-and-massy.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 1:48 PM
Subject: RE: Oracle Financials: Facility Management Apps

MAXIMO is what you are looking for. API's already exist for ORACLE APPS


Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:52:04 -0500
From: "Shockey, David" DShockey@jwrinc.com
Subject: RE: Oracle Financials: Facility Management Apps

Ditto for MP5, they have three levels of integration depending on what modules of MP5 you choose to use. It is all standard stuff that requires a few days to set up under normal circumstances.

Unlike Maximo, the entire application is built with Oracle technology, i.e., Oracle Forms, Oracle Reports,... As a result the NCA version of MP5 has been out for almost a year.

Sending approval notification via email

"siddharta ganguly" on 19-03-99 03:13:54 PM

Subject: Sending approval notification via email

Hi all, We are on R11,NT. We are trying to send approval notification for PO and PR, via Lotus Notes mail. Have anyone worked on it? Please let me know the procedures. Thanks a lot in advance, Jayanta.


Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:35:06 +0530
From: royj/Polaris@polaris.co.in
Subject: Re: Sending approval notification via email

Hi All. We have done this in AP via Lotus Notes mail with D2k as front end and Notes acting as Middleware. i suggest u to hire one or two Lotus Notes Programmer for this. coz first you have to make a connection between Notes and Ora apps for frequent flowing of data to and fro. This can be achived by several ways.

1. Through Lotus Notes Programming i.e, from ODBCConnection classes of notes. For this u need a Lotus Notes ODBC Driver.

2. Through Thrd party tools like SQLPump, NotesPump etc.

You can choose any front end like Lotus Notes or D2K or VB any front end thru data will be passed to oraaps with the help of Lotus Mail.For this either there can be interface of Lotus Notes between the data flowing of Front end to back end or data can flow directly to front end to Back end via Notes Mail.

Now it's upto u how u code ur program.

Rgds Amit and Roy Jose